What did you think of The Way of Water?

I'm not going to post any spoilers but what did you guys think of the new movie. Left me feeling a little blue.
Like the first movie did made me walk out of the cinema hating my own race.
What did you guys think I can't post to much till more people see it
 
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The Avatar sequel has arrived! Discuss your impressions of Avatar 2 in this thread.
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As a unhealthy obsessed avatar fan im sort of got mixed feeling for it.
on the one hand i loved the kids but was disappointed with the shallow back story.
the 3d was awesome but still suffer from ghosting.
 
I thought it was good.

I thought it tapped into a lot of the stuff that made the first movie good while introducing a lot of new ideas, worldbuilding, and character development. That is pretty much exactly what you want from a sequel like this.

Right now I think I prefer the first movie, but it's close. I might change my mind about that on rewatch.

The third act is a frickin' BEATING. But in a good way. Things just keep getting worse and worse. Edge of your seat stuff.
The movie was over 3 hours long, but it didn't feel that long at all.

There's a lot of plot here that feels planted to pay off big in future movies. I'm really excited to see where it goes. I'll probably post my more spoilery thoughts here in a week or two.
 
JC said A3 was finished in filming completely, doing the years long effects shots, so we'll get to see A3 no matter what happens with the louse house profit margins. he didn't seem too inclined to bank on A4 yet, much less A5 and A6 possible films. the Variety interviewer either didn't care about asking him on the prequel possibility or forgot to ask. JC didn't mention the prequel.
 
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im just confused how Neytiri turned on spider at the end of the movie. i know she just lost her son but spider was part of there family and sully's stick together or not...
also why did jake run away from his tribe to be with the water people he pretty much took down the sky people in the last movie but cant do it again and has to run away. i mean the movie was just full of bad plot holes.
im in love with all the new children and new characters. but i just walked out of the cinema with so many un answered questions. yes they may fill in the gaps in the next movie but i didnt feel this way about the first. also that part when they hunt down that poor whale was painful to watch.
 

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I loved it, I traditionally struggle to watch super long movies in a theater and had zero issues with A2. The 3 plus hours flew by, I love how the first few minutes of the film caught us up to speed on what's happened since we last visited Pandora 13 years ago. I don't want to say too much because it's so easy to post spoilers, but it was action filled, 3D and graphics both took huge leaps forward, the story was solid, and we got tons of Jake and Neytiri. I left loving both of those characters more than before even. Neytiri stole the show at the end of the movie for me.
 
I'm not going to post any spoilers but what did you guys think of the new movie. Left me feeling a little blue.
Like the first movie did made me walk out of the cinema hating my own race.
What did you guys think I can't post to much till more people see it
I loved it! tough choice between the first movie and this one for me. The first has a special place in my heart but I feel like the story was a little more fresh for this one, and didn't have as many wonky tropes as the first.
 
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It didn't gave me the depression like the old one, that's the ''blue effect'' right?
I had that the first two times i've seen it as a kid...then every time i re-watched it It just gave me so much hope to make for a better future and respect the world.
The second movie didn't gave me the same effect, the first was a ''discover'', Pandora was unknow, mysterious and dangerous for the protagonists and i was engorged by the movie...in the seconds they look veterans, even if I love this second chapter the first one gave me a completly different sensation. I loved the new characters but i'm sad about some of them have been developed
Like the new RDA Avatar...they were there just to be massacred by the protagonists and they have no purpose except being bullies, they have no existential crysis to be killed and ''resurrected'' even if are just copies of the originals, they just continue to work for their employers like anything happen, just hope we will se a sequel with a better development for ''the other side''
Off topic:

For ''make the world better'' i mean be respectful of our world and our bodies:

-Stop eating meat (I don't eat meat since 2012 and i'm 24yrs old) even if honestly I never eat meat...it always lefted me disgusted and the only meat I was able to eat as a kid was cooked ham!
-Stop buy from the ''big food-water companies'' like Nestlé, Kraft, Coca Cola, ecc...I call this ''stop to justify them'' to do what they do, since what they care about is control the resources (some of them even want to privatize the water, so remember who are you giving your money...) and destroy the competitors, just like if they putted the Darwinian theory in the society (And they do, it's called ''Social-Darwinism'')
-I also stop buy mostly of the bottle of water in plastic, now mine are genuine in glass.
-For some reasons i have to go to a partial vegan diet since we aren't able to notice some food intollerances we have, for example during pollen allergies I can't eat processed sugar, mostly of the dairy products, refined grain, ecc..but many of us are allergic to it but we never notice....this is called ''Cross allergies'' and make me extremly sick (burning eyes, stubble nose, itchy throat, ecc...). I should report that many of the food We eat are still full of pesticides anyway and the dairy products and meat are full of pharmaceutical things so isn't that rare that people suffer when they eat it...it's not an obsession for me to eat ''clean'' because it is impossible nowadays, if you don't start to cultivate your own garden, thing I'll surely do in future.
There is many other things I do but haven't in my mind right now.

Have a good day, sorry for the Off Topic and hope you enjoyed Avatar 2!
 

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I think overall the The Way of Water is okay, but it doesn’t quite measure up to the original Avatar for me. The visuals and effects are certainly stunning to look at, and the action choreography is excellent. That said, narratively the film felt rather clunky, and at times I felt its length.

The Way of Water has an overall rather simple story. That’s not a bad thing in and of itself, and a simple story told well can be quite compelling, like Top Gun: Maverick or the original Avatar. But in this case some of the dialogue and scenes are too cliche, and the pacing frankly felt off especially in the middle part of the film. Certainly the original Avatar had its share of cliches, but this movie felt more underdeveloped.

There are also a lot of plot points that remain unresolved or simply unexplained, much more so than the original film. For instance, I believe the previous lore established that the RDA only had 15 ISVs, so how did they manage to surge this many and deploy them simultaneously? And now it can operate in the atmosphere? Previously, the RDA was portrayed as rather frugal with their resources, yet here they seem to be able to almost recklessly expend manpower and hardware. Then there are characters that are one dimensional and have completely unresolved arcs. General Ardmore appears for minutes and then just disappears from the plot. Some of the Metkayina kids seem to be bigoted assholes for no good reason. Surprisingly, while I wasn’t thrilled at the notion of Quaritch returning, I actually didn’t mind the execution too much.

Frankly I think the script needs a copy edit, because the pacing and narrative definitely felt off at times and not as coherent as the original film.

The soundtrack though was quite disappointing for me, because it seems to largely recycle James Horner’s work from the original Avatar, often directly. As someone who adores and has listened to the original soundtrack extensively, this copy-paste was quite noticeable.

In the end The Way of Water is a decent film that doesn’t quite live up to the original for me. That said I am curious where the next film will go.
 
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I would have been amazed if I'd left the theater feeling like Way of Water had bested the first film--and I didn't. I did enjoy it though. Rather than cutting/pasting my thoughts, I'll link them.
 
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im just confused how Neytiri turned on spider at the end of the movie. i know she just lost her son but spider was part of there family and sully's stick together or not...
also why did jake run away from his tribe to be with the water people he pretty much took down the sky people in the last movie but cant do it again and has to run away. i mean the movie was just full of bad plot holes.
im in love with all the new children and new characters. but i just walked out of the cinema with so many un answered questions. yes they may fill in the gaps in the next movie but i didnt feel this way about the first. also that part when they hunt down that poor whale was painful to watch.
Right?? I feel it was COMPLETELY out of her character to threaten/harm an innocent being. And the scene just prior where she literally looks feral and spider looks scared? I'M scared, it felt surreal.

And they way they shoehorned "oh it's not Quaritch it's just Quaritch Lite" felt like such a sequel grab... AND THEN TO HAVE SPIDER BE LIKE "nah I can't let him die, he's my dad" SUCH A THIRD SEQUEL GRAB.
 
Right?? I feel it was COMPLETELY out of her character to threaten/harm an innocent being. And the scene just prior where she literally looks feral and spider looks scared? I'M scared, it felt surreal.

And they way they shoehorned "oh it's not Quaritch it's just Quaritch Lite" felt like such a sequel grab... AND THEN TO HAVE SPIDER BE LIKE "nah I can't let him die, he's my dad" SUCH A THIRD SEQUEL GRAB.
Personally I saw her using him as just a purely necessary thing. She didnt have anything against him but knew that Quaritch probably had bonded with him enough to not let him die.
 
I think overall the The Way of Water is okay, but it doesn’t quite measure up to the original Avatar for me. The visuals and effects are certainly stunning to look at, and the action choreography is excellent. That said, narratively the film felt rather clunky, and at times I felt its length.

The Way of Water has an overall rather simple story. That’s not a bad thing in and of itself, and a simple story told well can be quite compelling, like Top Gun: Maverick or the original Avatar. But in this case some of the dialogue and scenes are too cliche, and the pacing frankly felt off especially in the middle part of the film. Certainly the original Avatar had its share of cliches, but this movie felt more underdeveloped.

There are also a lot of plot points that remain unresolved or simply unexplained, much more so than the original film. For instance, I believe the previous lore established that the RDA only had 15 ISVs, so how did they manage to surge this many and deploy them simultaneously? And now it can operate in the atmosphere? Previously, the RDA was portrayed as rather frugal with their resources, yet here they seem to be able to almost recklessly expend manpower and hardware. Then there are characters that are one dimensional and have completely unresolved arcs. General Ardmore appears for minutes and then just disappears from the plot. Some of the Metkayina kids seem to be bigoted assholes for no good reason. Surprisingly, while I wasn’t thrilled at the notion of Quaritch returning, I actually didn’t mind the execution too much.

Frankly I think the script needs a copy edit, because the pacing and narrative definitely felt off at times and not as coherent as the original film.

The soundtrack though was quite disappointing for me, because it seems to largely recycle James Horner’s work from the original Avatar, often directly. As someone who adores and has listened to the original soundtrack extensively, this copy-paste was quite noticeable.

In the end The Way of Water is a decent film that doesn’t quite live up to the original for me. That said I am curious where the next film will go.
My sister and I said the same thing about the music!

Like when whaling and they killed one, all I can hear is the screams of everyone during the tree burning because it was a copy-paste from that scene.
 
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Personally I saw her using him as just a purely necessary thing. She didnt have anything against him but knew that Quaritch probably had bonded with him enough to not let him die.
I'm also not convinced he didn't know it wasn't really her threatening him. She said herself she doesn't like him all the way up until the very end where "it's a son for a son" so hey he's cool now I guess?
 
i have to admit i do feel the whole avatar depression thing again and i don't know why? i didn't really like the movie as much as the first one but for some reason i really fell in love with the sully children. spider i could take or leave and yes at the start of the movie Jake did say that Neytiri does not like spider but it was really weird to see that side of here come out. plus spider seems to have a very strong relationship with her children so that whole scene was just weird. I still don't know why im starting to feel obsessed with Avatar again. only got over all that stuff.
i sort of knew that the new movie would bring back the avatar blues but like i said don't know why cause the movie was not as epic as the first one.
Also i felt that the CGI really went backwards in this movie like that avatar baby that was jake bay son at the start of the movie just looked odd.
 
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I liked it a lot. Not as much as I liked the first movie, but frankly, I don't think that it would be possible for me to like it more than the first movie. :) I agree that there are some plot holes and a few weak points, but it was really much better than I expected it to be. As for Netyri and Spider at the end, Netyri was on the ragged edge at that point. She was not going to let Jake sacrifice himself, nor was she going to lose another child to Quaritch. Threatening Spider was the only option she had left. I guess my only regret is that nearly all of my Avatar fan fiction (several hundred thousand words) is now obsolete :)
 

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I guess my only regret is that nearly all of my Avatar fan fiction (several hundred thousand words) is now obsolete :)
I started writing (but never finished) a number of fanfics about the goings on at Hell's Gate after the events of the first movie, most of them centering on Norm. Thanks to how little of that is addressed in this second movie, pretty much none of what I wrote was obsoleted. Maybe I should dust it off and finish it! :)

Threatening Spider was the only option she had left.
Yeah. As much as I didn't really like the whole Quaritch/Spider dynamic, I can accept it. That was definitely a "Hail Mary" move, threatening him. And now we have to wait two years to find out: Was that the beginning of Spider's descent into evil, or the beginning of Quaritch's redemption? (Of course, it might also be none of the above.)
 
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Let me start off by admitting that I shed a tear at the first few environmental shots that were shown. Just seeing new images of Pandora in a proper movie was enough to do that.

I think the movie was more interesting than the first, but since after so many years I am used to the world of Pandora, it just didn't have the same 'wow' factor as the first movie.

I do think the effects are better. I think it stands out that many things are not clean, dry and nice-looking like they are in most of the first movie. The experience actually felt more real to me due to this.

I was surprised by a number of things:
- Very little screen time for the human side of the story (although I basically don't mind, since it means seeing more of the Na'vi and of the Sully family)
- We don't actually get to see a lot of daily Na'vi life, despite the trailers giving me the impression that we would. Those scenes that came close all felt extremely short (perhaps subjective, since I've only seen the movie once)
- Copy-paste soundtrack from the first movie, plus what sounded to me like generic music. No actual memorable new theme was noticeable to me.

Overall, it certainly felt like the shortest 3 hours of my life whilst being awake. I think I will enjoy watching the movie for many years to come.
 
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