First look at Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora

After destroying my disk out of frustration a couple of weeks ago
I had not yet fully grasped your level of frustration with this. Personally I don't think I would have gone that far. Then again I only have a digital copy.

I agree the way the game has been set up can be jarringly frustrating at times. It feels sometimes like it is just you vs the entire RDA while the rest of your faction gets to chill in their base or home. I would say that is one of the least immersive things about the game, being forced into the one-man-army role. And then there are the times when you are going about your business walking through the forest when you get an indicator that something hostile has detected you. You get 2 seconds to react and then a thanator pops out and one-hit-kills you. You can't outrun and outgun it. Again, it seems that Quaritch was right with being shit out dead with zero warning when you get soft on Pandora, but it is only funny once...
 
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So, I had a chance to get through maybe 1/3 of the main story, and likely only 1/10th (likely less) of the total content. Some impressions:

Graphically, this game is phenomenal. Easily the next Crysis, with a graphical jump and feel akin to that 2007 masterpiece. While graphics are typically not the most important thing in games, when it comes to Pandoran immersion it largely makes the experience, not just elevates it. For those of you who have not been playing games, it may look slightly worse than the movies, and it is, but as far as what's possible in 'real-time' rendering (i.e. a video game), no other game has reached what this game has as an overall package. Not Cyberpunk 2077, not Horizon Forbidden West, Not Alan Wake 2. Human face models and maybe some parts of the water are slightly questionable, but nothing big to nitpick here. Outstanding stuff overall, especially the ray-traced lighting, foliage density, and textures. Digital Foundry's unequivocal number 1. The sound is also ray-traced to the point of convincing realism where every sound you hear has a directional source (animals, leaves ruffling, etc.). It looks amazing on the PS5, Xbox X, and S as well, so not only on a high-end PC (though it scales well on weaker ones too).

Gameplay-wise, it is a solid experience. For gamers, it might be too much of a condition-optimizing, flower-picking walking simulator, while for non-gamer Avatar enthusiasts, it may have too much combat. I think this middle ground is probably the perfect balance of both, achieving the maximum amount of slow-paced cultural immersion, and the Pandoran hunter-gatherer experience that it could have while still having the budget of a AAA game. To have such a budget, it would have to appeal to the masses to some degree (meaning combat), and the budget from the mass appeal (likely $100-200 Million or more) is what is required for such a graphically impressive game to be available for only $70-100. Luckily combat and some gameplay elements of Far Cry and Crysis fit a lot of the themes of Avatar quite well (the last third of both movies). Voice acting is quite good, but can sound a bit juvenile at times, though, that's likely intentional for a Teen-rated game, and also how it would likely be if Pandora was real (many teen Na'vi around :) ). Flying feels and looks fantastic as well, but believe it or not, the foliage-boosted ground traversal system is even better. Frontiers of Pandora is a convincing solution to the longing we feel for Pandora, as well as a mirror to our Eywa, Gaia, Earth, which needs to be cared for.

Having said that, the combat can take some getting used to. And in many cases, can be avoided with some stealth and 'run and disable the switch' techniques, followed by running and hiding in the jungle for a bit. Make sure to be at least the minimum level required for the quest, ideally 1 or 2 over. Give yourself points towards health, ideally Vitality IV, and all the other vitalities. Other skills are more or less depending on your style... more damage? Or better food buffs, etc. Either pick top-quality plants and hunting components to build the best bows/armor you can so far, and/or do side quests and such to gain enough clan favor to obtain good bows and armor/clothing from the Na'vi at hometree. Touch all the bellsprigs and tarsyu saplings you can find. Study the biomes and your hunter guide.

@Wind12, which system were you playing on, by the way? Perhaps I can offer more system-specific tips to help! Everyone in this forum deserves to experience this game, as in many ways, it's like a more immersive 100+ hour variant of the movies. I do hope you can get another copy! Btw, the co-op works great, I play on PC while my wife on the PS5 sometimes. Give it a few more tries, and if nothing can help, I'd love to hop on co-op and help you out!
 
So, I had a chance to get through maybe 1/3 of the main story, and likely only 1/10th (likely less) of the total content. Some impressions:

Graphically, this game is phenomenal. Easily the next Crysis, with a graphical jump and feel akin to that 2007 masterpiece. While graphics are typically not the most important thing in games, when it comes to Pandoran immersion it largely makes the experience, not just elevates it. For those of you who have not been playing games, it may look slightly worse than the movies, and it is, but as far as what's possible in 'real-time' rendering (i.e. a video game), no other game has reached what this game has as an overall package. Not Cyberpunk 2077, not Horizon Forbidden West, Not Alan Wake 2. Human face models and maybe some parts of the water are slightly questionable, but nothing big to nitpick here. Outstanding stuff overall, especially the ray-traced lighting, foliage density, and textures. Digital Foundry's unequivocal number 1. The sound is also ray-traced to the point of convincing realism where every sound you hear has a directional source (animals, leaves ruffling, etc.). It looks amazing on the PS5, Xbox X, and S as well, so not only on a high-end PC (though it scales well on weaker ones too).

Gameplay-wise, it is a solid experience. For gamers, it might be too much of a condition-optimizing, flower-picking walking simulator, while for non-gamer Avatar enthusiasts, it may have too much combat. I think this middle ground is probably the perfect balance of both, achieving the maximum amount of slow-paced cultural immersion, and the Pandoran hunter-gatherer experience that it could have while still having the budget of a AAA game. To have such a budget, it would have to appeal to the masses to some degree (meaning combat), and the budget from the mass appeal (likely $100-200 Million or more) is what is required for such a graphically impressive game to be available for only $70-100. Luckily combat and some gameplay elements of Far Cry and Crysis fit a lot of the themes of Avatar quite well (the last third of both movies). Voice acting is quite good, but can sound a bit juvenile at times, though, that's likely intentional for a Teen-rated game, and also how it would likely be if Pandora was real (many teen Na'vi around :) ). Flying feels and looks fantastic as well, but believe it or not, the foliage-boosted ground traversal system is even better. Frontiers of Pandora is a convincing solution to the longing we feel for Pandora, as well as a mirror to our Eywa, Gaia, Earth, which needs to be cared for.

Having said that, the combat can take some getting used to. And in many cases, can be avoided with some stealth and 'run and disable the switch' techniques, followed by running and hiding in the jungle for a bit. Make sure to be at least the minimum level required for the quest, ideally 1 or 2 over. Give yourself points towards health, ideally Vitality IV, and all the other vitalities. Other skills are more or less depending on your style... more damage? Or better food buffs, etc. Either pick top-quality plants and hunting components to build the best bows/armor you can so far, and/or do side quests and such to gain enough clan favor to obtain good bows and armor/clothing from the Na'vi at hometree. Touch all the bellsprigs and tarsyu saplings you can find. Study the biomes and your hunter guide.

@Wind12, which system were you playing on, by the way? Perhaps I can offer more system-specific tips to help! Everyone in this forum deserves to experience this game, as in many ways, it's like a more immersive 100+ hour variant of the movies. I do hope you can get another copy! Btw, the co-op works great, I play on PC while my wife on the PS5 sometimes. Give it a few more tries, and if nothing can help, I'd love to hop on co-op and help you out!
Irayo nìtxan for trying to help, sadly trying to figure out strategy in real time is definitely not my strong suit, I just don't have the skill to get anywhere, its a beautiful world but not being competent enough to unlock 99 percent of it, or even to get far enough to unlock co-op, just has made it into a very depressing thing for me, I honestly don't know if I will get another disk or not, I love Pandora, but FOP just makes me sad with the thought that this new version of exploring Avatar has passed my ageing brain by. The system that I used was a PS5. I could get my brother to do it, but then it won't be my journey and I won't be shaping the development of my Sarentu, as it would be his gaming style that would develop the character, and it would hurt in a different way. I hate to say it but my Sarentu's journey has ended. 😔
 
I hate to say it but my Sarentu's journey has ended. 😔
I really wish there was something I could do here to turn it around for you.

Personally I prefer a keyboard and mouse and I wouldn't be able to properly control anything with a console game controller. So I guess for you it is the other way around? Or have you simply picked a platform without knowing your preference? It that case, I would ask myself the question if it was the correct choice.
 
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I really wish there was something I could do here to turn it around for you.

Personally I prefer a keyboard and mouse and I wouldn't be able to properly control anything with a console game controller. So I guess for you it is the other way around? Or have you simply picked a platform without knowing your preference? It that case, I would ask myself the question if it was the correct choice.
The only games I have ever played (outside of Oregon trail at school #lukoaktan) was via console ( I finished the original Avatar game on an XBox) honestly buying a whole PC system, trying to learn a whole new way of gaming, just in hopes of succeeding at one game( even if it is Pandora) is just out of my league, the only reason I "have" the PS5 is that my brother uses it, and last year I went in half on it knowing that one day FOP would arrive.
 
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@Wind12, oh yes, co-op is not yet available at that point, unfortunately. I think, in a way, it's the lesser of two evils to let 1% of the game (that one, rather forgettable drill tower combat situation) be done by someone else such as your brother than to deprive 95% of the experience for you/your hero's journey. It's not much different than doing co-op when 90% of the fight would be done by someone else. Also... watching a movie is experiencing a journey as if someone else is playing it 100% of the time! Yet we were all moved greatly by the first Avatar, no?

You will, in time get better at the combat naturally - whether from hunts, or just lesser combat experiences, or just from having the ability to boost health stats. I genuinely think that you need an external push that you may not be comfortable with, but would then appreciate in hindsight. A slight real-life version of what Neytiri did to Jake, throwing him outside of his comfort zone :) . A Psychology hack for the 'software', definitely nothing lacking hardware-wise in your brain as you alluded to!

Are you situated in Ontario / GTA by any chance btw?
 
@Wind12, oh yes, co-op is not yet available at that point, unfortunately. I think, in a way, it's the lesser of two evils to let 1% of the game (that one, rather forgettable drill tower combat situation) be done by someone else such as your brother than to deprive 95% of the experience for you/your hero's journey. It's not much different than doing co-op when 90% of the fight would be done by someone else. Also... watching a movie is experiencing a journey as if someone else is playing it 100% of the time! Yet we were all moved greatly by the first Avatar, no?

You will, in time get better at the combat naturally - whether from hunts, or just lesser combat experiences, or just from having the ability to boost health stats. I genuinely think that you need an external push that you may not be comfortable with, but would then appreciate in hindsight. A slight real-life version of what Neytiri did to Jake, throwing him outside of his comfort zone :) . A Psychology hack for the 'software', definitely nothing lacking hardware-wise in your brain as you alluded to!

Are you situated in Ontario / GTA by any chance btw?
I probably will go that route at some point, I am just taking it hard right now.
Actually kehe (no) I live in Missouri, I met TLFN on Avatar forums (now defunct) years ago and we chatted alot, became good friends and met IRL on some Avatar oriented meets, I have been to Toronto twice now though :)
 
The only games I have ever played (outside of Oregon trail at school #lukoaktan) was via console ( I finished the original Avatar game on an XBox) honestly buying a whole PC system, trying to learn a whole new way of gaming, just in hopes of succeeding at one game( even if it is Pandora) is just out of my league, the only reason I "have" the PS5 is that my brother uses it, and last year I went in half on it knowing that one day FOP would arrive.
It is understandable if you don't even have a PC that you are reluctant to switch over. I suppose if you are more used to a console game controller there wouldn't be much to be gained anyway. I have had my own PC for over 20 years and I have been playing games on PC every now and then for the past 25 years, so I guess I would have an easier time with AFOP overall, even though I don't consider myself to be a gamer. I use a PC also for mass storage of other media, for video editing, for data processing, etc.

I got a second hand XBox for free once; only thing I did with it was modify it to run a PC-like operating system when I found out that the proprietary harddisk couldn't be ripped out and used in a regular PC. :)

You will, in time get better at the combat naturally - whether from hunts, or just lesser combat experiences, or just from having the ability to boost health stats.
I can definitely confirm this. Once you figure out how to gather the right resources you can upgrade your character to such a level that you can easily rip through the bases around you. This is true even when playing on medium. Also, by now, I kind of have a reflex of drawing my character's weapon when I see or hear something strange around me.

I have been taking it slow with the game, and am probably halfway through the story now after almost 2 months. The game reminds me a little bit of how real life works unlike how movies work. In movies you only get to see the good or interesting bits of the characters' lives, while in the game you kind of just live on Pandora and there isn't a noteworthy experience every day as there also wouldn't be in real life. Imagine if the original Avatar had been let's say 100 hours long. You would have seen long scenes of not-so-exciting things happening also. But every one in a while you encounter something truly beautiful or extraordinary and that makes it worthwhile (both real life and the game).

So, like real life where you must do things that you would rather not, in the game you have more or less a day job as a warrior fighting the RDA. And you fight them so that you can enjoy the true wonders of Pandora. So the game doesn't give you the wonders of Pandora for free; you have to work for them, but then it is a lot more satisfying when you finally get to experience them.
 
Hello old friends!
I was looking for this thread on the game to put my little experience in. My aging wiser mind told me to wait a bit before purchasing for the price to drop and I found it to be $39 on Amazon a few weeks after release. I couldn't have ordered it any faster! I managed to play about 40 minutes of the game before unfortunately......getting bored. :frown: I have never been a fan of skills/fabricating stuff type games and this has a bit of it involved. I am more of a pick up weapon and shoot type gamer. That being said, the game is beautiful and amazing to just walk through the forest of Pandora.

Tonight I decided to clear my head after work and give the game another chance to see if it's style will grow on me.
 
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Hello old friends!
I was looking for this thread on the game to put my little experience in. My aging wiser mind told me to wait a bit before purchasing for the price to drop and I found it to be $39 on Amazon a few weeks after release. I couldn't have ordered it any faster! I managed to play about 40 minutes of the game before unfortunately......getting bored. :frown: I have never been a fan of skills/fabricating stuff type games and this has a bit of it involved. I am more of a pick up weapon and shoot type gamer. That being said, the game is beautiful and amazing to just walk through the forest of Pandora.

Tonight I decided to clear my head after work and give the game another chance to see if it's style will grow on me.
How did it go? Would love to hear your thoughts on this one :)

My desire to commune with Pandora play with an ikran got the better of me, as well as being wowed by the photos people have shared online, so I gave up trying to get hold of a physical disc for PC and got a one month sub to try it out and see how I feel about the exploration/living vs combat/mission balance before committing to hardware upgrade... or maybe a used PS5?

Alas - I didn't appreciate just *how* terrible digital distribution is for large, complex modern games on my very....regional... internet connection

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Hi I wanted to play this, but for personal reasons in october I've stop playing videogames and I'm not going to get back. What do you think about this game? I had good memories of when I was 10 years old and played the first one. Many could think that the old one was boring, but I had fun back then, it helped expanding my personal Avatar universe and I was feeling more immersed on it. Plus the multiplayer wasn't bad at all playing it on ps3, sadly they turned the server off!
 

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I'm really enjoying it to be honest. I can't pretend to be an expert gamer and give an informed opinion from that perspective, but I'm pretty good at wandering around in the forest, and can attest it wins at offering a feeling of what that would be like on Pandora. Only instead of Forestry Corp, you've got the RDA. Same assholes who deserve a good kicking, different world.
 

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Just some shots from early in the game...
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Syulangay takes in the beauty of her world.

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You don't need lights and torches when Eywa provides.
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Stealth hunting from high in the branches. There will be yerik for dinner!
 
Alas - I didn't appreciate just *how* terrible digital distribution is for large, complex modern games on my very....regional... internet connection
6.2 MB/s... could have been a lot worse. I remember 20 years ago when I only had 30 kb/s at maximum. Anything above 1 MB/s still looks like a lot to me. But yeah, considering the size of the game, it would feel a bit on the slow side :)

Anyway, nice to read that you are exploring the game and liking it.
While those screenshots are not bad, I would say you haven't seen anything yet.

Syulangay takes in the beauty of her world.
You named your character? Interesting :)

Yesterday I returned to playing after about a month of not having done so. I do think the bugs are being ironed out and new content, such as new scripted events are being added. Maybe we will end up with a world that will not feel that empty.

The last several times I played, I was hanging around in the plains area where there seemed to be continuously bad weather with grey clouds all around that wouldn't change for some reason (bug or whatever). It was the same yesterday. Then I found a cave oasis that was one of the most magnificent sights I have seen in this game yet. The game continues to surprise me.
 

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6.2 MB/s... could have been a lot worse. I remember 20 years ago when I only had 30 kb/s at maximum. Anything above 1 MB/s still looks like a lot to me. But yeah, considering the size of the game, it would feel a bit on the slow side

Thankfully the patches / updates aren't too bad. I've only had one really big update download (something like 1.8gb or thereabouts) and all the others are a few hundred mb, which yeah... sounds ridiciulous considering the first hard drive I ever owned had a capacity of 120mb for absolutely everything, and definitely remember those dial up days and how amazing it was when I got my first modem that wasn't an acoustic coupler - the dogs could start barking and you didn't even loose the connection. That was the sci-fi future, right there.

I'm lucky that my place is the last structure down the road my house is on to have landline. Everywhere further up the track are on satelite, so that must be fun. Every day is dial-up day for them :D

Anyway, nice to read that you are exploring the game and liking it.
While those screenshots are not bad, I would say you haven't seen anything yet.

I've been tweaking the gfx setting much as poss, but yep - I gave in and took the bait last weekend, and ordered an 8gb RTX card. Winter's well and truly here so going to be indoors more, might as well have some escapism to get and mess around in till the sun comes back :)

You named your character? Interesting :)

I was deeply original too - it's derived from my main online ID :D (though to be fair, that handle is taken from Na'vi so it's not completely unimaginative)

Yesterday I returned to playing after about a month of not having done so. I do think the bugs are being ironed out and new content, such as new scripted events are being added. Maybe we will end up with a world that will not feel that empty.

The last several times I played, I was hanging around in the plains area where there seemed to be continuously bad weather with grey clouds all around that wouldn't change for some reason (bug or whatever). It was the same yesterday. Then I found a cave oasis that was one of the most magnificent sights I have seen in this game yet. The game continues to surprise me.
I must admit the sunrises/sunsets up there are amazing, lots of big sky. It's not Kinglor, but it definitely does have it's qualities. I don't think I know the cave though - where did you find it? Gotta see that!
 
I'm lucky that my place is the last structure down the road my house is on to have landline. Everywhere further up the track are on satelite, so that must be fun. Every day is dial-up day for them :D
That's lucky indeed :)

the first hard drive I ever owned had a capacity of 120mb
Mine was 815 MB and running Windows NT 4.0. I believe I have it lying around here somewhere still. Oh, the memories...

I've been tweaking the gfx setting much as poss, but yep - I gave in and took the bait last weekend, and ordered an 8gb RTX card. Winter's well and truly here so going to be indoors more, might as well have some escapism to get and mess around in till the sun comes back :)
I almost forgot that indeed you have winter now in Down Under.
Actually, I was referring to that you were early in the game with those screenshots and that you hadn't seen a lot of the later content yet. Those graphics didn't look bad on those screenshots, but with a proper RTX card it certainly is going to get better.

I must admit the sunrises/sunsets up there are amazing, lots of big sky. It's not Kinglor, but it definitely does have it's qualities. I don't think I know the cave though - where did you find it? Gotta see that!
I liked the plains area better than I thought I would. It is definitely different, but a good change of scenery compared to the Kinglor Forest.
As far as I recall, the cave could be entered at the top of that giant rocky island located in the middle of the lake north of the Zeswa main camp.
 
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